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Re: Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program

Dharma Kelleher
 

Exactly, John. It’s the access that I need, not more generic advice about how to start a newsletter or schedule FB posts using Hootsuite. 

Peace out,
Dharma Kelleher

Gritty Crime Fiction with a Feminist Kick
https://dharmakelleher.com


On Nov 12, 2020, at 5:00 PM, John Copenhaver via groups.io <johncope@...> wrote:

Hi, all,

In general, I'm suspicious of publicists who ask you to pay for advice—and Dana does a lot of that sort of thing. You should be paying for access to the connections they’ve built. Not advice for how to post on Instagram or interview tips. A big part of equity is about access to resources. The resources publicists provide is who they know—ye olde rolodex. I like that Dana wants to provide a discount to create equity, but you have to scrutinize what they are providing—and if it’s not, in fact, a marketing ploy. Mia, you may have had/are having a fabulous experience with her and that may not be the case here at all, but I felt some obligation to be concerned. I just don’t want our desire to be supported taken advantage of, even if it’s unintentional. Her response to Dharma worried me, I guess, especially because she tried to sell her on another program.

I still dream of a fellowship—or something of that sort—which would provide $$ for queer and/or BIPOC folks to hire a publicist. 

Not my intention to be a Debbie Downer, but perhaps this will spark conversation!

Best,
-John


On Nov 12, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Dharma Kelleher <dharma.kelleher@...> wrote:

I got a response back from Dana. 

While we don't recommend full-service campaigns for indie authors, based on what you've shared, you would be a great candidate for my paid membership community, Your Breakout Book.”

So I guess the Equality offer only applies to traditionally pubbed authors. 

Which struck me as odd. I walked away from traditional publishers because of their lack of interest in diverse voices. 

I tried her paid membership a year or so ago, but didn’t find it offered anything I couldn’t get from a lot of podcasts. 

But her business. Her decision. I respect it. 

Peace out,
Dharma Kelleher

Gritty Crime Fiction with a Feminist Kick


On Nov 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Eliot <eliotp@...> wrote:


Hi, all!

This is wonderful news! Thanks for sharing.

Hope you all are well and staying safe!

Eliot


From: main@queercrimewriters.groups.io <main@queercrimewriters.groups.io> on behalf of Leslie Karst <ljkarst@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@queercrimewriters.groups.io <main@queercrimewriters.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Queercrimewriters] Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program
 
Good for Dana; what a generous offer. And thanks for letting us know, Mia!

Leslie Karst

--
Lefty Award-nominated author of the Sally Solari Mystery Series

     website: lesliekarstauthor.com

John Copenhaver
Fiction Writer
Lambda Literary Columnist
www.jcopenhaver.com
Twitter: johncopenhaver
Instagram: johncope74
he/him/his

Author of the Macavity Award-winning novel DODGING AND BURNING. Available now from Pegasus Books.

<Dodging and Burning signature 2.jpg>


Re: Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program

Ann Aptaker
 

Hi John,
Yes, I had the same suspicions. I went to their webpage, and there didn't seem to be much bang for the buck, unless you paid for their full services. The rest just seemed to be How-To's for the author, which you can get for free from other sources, networking, etc. Essentially, their advice appears to be: work your tail off marketing for a good part of your day, and pay them for the privilege of telling you to do it. 
No thanks.
But I love your idea, John, of a fellowship or funding to hire a publicist!
Cheers,
Ann



From: main@queercrimewriters.groups.io <main@queercrimewriters.groups.io> on behalf of John Copenhaver via groups.io <johncope@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 7:00 PM
To: main@queercrimewriters.groups.io <main@queercrimewriters.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Queercrimewriters] Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program
 
Hi, all,

In general, I'm suspicious of publicists who ask you to pay for advice—and Dana does a lot of that sort of thing. You should be paying for access to the connections they’ve built. Not advice for how to post on Instagram or interview tips. A big part of equity is about access to resources. The resources publicists provide is who they know—ye olde rolodex. I like that Dana wants to provide a discount to create equity, but you have to scrutinize what they are providing—and if it’s not, in fact, a marketing ploy. Mia, you may have had/are having a fabulous experience with her and that may not be the case here at all, but I felt some obligation to be concerned. I just don’t want our desire to be supported taken advantage of, even if it’s unintentional. Her response to Dharma worried me, I guess, especially because she tried to sell her on another program.

I still dream of a fellowship—or something of that sort—which would provide $$ for queer and/or BIPOC folks to hire a publicist. 

Not my intention to be a Debbie Downer, but perhaps this will spark conversation!

Best,
-John


On Nov 12, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Dharma Kelleher <dharma.kelleher@...> wrote:

I got a response back from Dana. 

While we don't recommend full-service campaigns for indie authors, based on what you've shared, you would be a great candidate for my paid membership community, Your Breakout Book.”

So I guess the Equality offer only applies to traditionally pubbed authors. 

Which struck me as odd. I walked away from traditional publishers because of their lack of interest in diverse voices. 

I tried her paid membership a year or so ago, but didn’t find it offered anything I couldn’t get from a lot of podcasts. 

But her business. Her decision. I respect it. 

Peace out,
Dharma Kelleher

Gritty Crime Fiction with a Feminist Kick


On Nov 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Eliot <eliotp@...> wrote:


Hi, all!

This is wonderful news! Thanks for sharing.

Hope you all are well and staying safe!

Eliot


From: main@queercrimewriters.groups.io <main@queercrimewriters.groups.io> on behalf of Leslie Karst <ljkarst@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@queercrimewriters.groups.io <main@queercrimewriters.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Queercrimewriters] Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program
 
Good for Dana; what a generous offer. And thanks for letting us know, Mia!

Leslie Karst

--
Lefty Award-nominated author of the Sally Solari Mystery Series

     website: lesliekarstauthor.com

John Copenhaver
Fiction Writer
Lambda Literary Columnist
www.jcopenhaver.com
Twitter: johncopenhaver
Instagram: johncope74
he/him/his

Author of the Macavity Award-winning novel DODGING AND BURNING. Available now from Pegasus Books.



Re: Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program

John Copenhaver
 

Hi, all,

In general, I'm suspicious of publicists who ask you to pay for advice—and Dana does a lot of that sort of thing. You should be paying for access to the connections they’ve built. Not advice for how to post on Instagram or interview tips. A big part of equity is about access to resources. The resources publicists provide is who they know—ye olde rolodex. I like that Dana wants to provide a discount to create equity, but you have to scrutinize what they are providing—and if it’s not, in fact, a marketing ploy. Mia, you may have had/are having a fabulous experience with her and that may not be the case here at all, but I felt some obligation to be concerned. I just don’t want our desire to be supported taken advantage of, even if it’s unintentional. Her response to Dharma worried me, I guess, especially because she tried to sell her on another program.

I still dream of a fellowship—or something of that sort—which would provide $$ for queer and/or BIPOC folks to hire a publicist. 

Not my intention to be a Debbie Downer, but perhaps this will spark conversation!

Best,
-John


On Nov 12, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Dharma Kelleher <dharma.kelleher@...> wrote:

I got a response back from Dana. 

While we don't recommend full-service campaigns for indie authors, based on what you've shared, you would be a great candidate for my paid membership community, Your Breakout Book.”

So I guess the Equality offer only applies to traditionally pubbed authors. 

Which struck me as odd. I walked away from traditional publishers because of their lack of interest in diverse voices. 

I tried her paid membership a year or so ago, but didn’t find it offered anything I couldn’t get from a lot of podcasts. 

But her business. Her decision. I respect it. 

Peace out,
Dharma Kelleher

Gritty Crime Fiction with a Feminist Kick


On Nov 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Eliot <eliotp@...> wrote:


Hi, all!

This is wonderful news! Thanks for sharing.

Hope you all are well and staying safe!

Eliot


From: main@queercrimewriters.groups.io <main@queercrimewriters.groups.io> on behalf of Leslie Karst <ljkarst@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@queercrimewriters.groups.io <main@queercrimewriters.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Queercrimewriters] Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program
 
Good for Dana; what a generous offer. And thanks for letting us know, Mia!

Leslie Karst

--
Lefty Award-nominated author of the Sally Solari Mystery Series

     website: lesliekarstauthor.com

John Copenhaver
Fiction Writer
Lambda Literary Columnist
www.jcopenhaver.com
Twitter: johncopenhaver
Instagram: johncope74
he/him/his

Author of the Macavity Award-winning novel DODGING AND BURNING. Available now from Pegasus Books.



Re: Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program

Dharma Kelleher
 

I got a response back from Dana. 

While we don't recommend full-service campaigns for indie authors, based on what you've shared, you would be a great candidate for my paid membership community, Your Breakout Book.”

So I guess the Equality offer only applies to traditionally pubbed authors. 

Which struck me as odd. I walked away from traditional publishers because of their lack of interest in diverse voices. 

I tried her paid membership a year or so ago, but didn’t find it offered anything I couldn’t get from a lot of podcasts. 

But her business. Her decision. I respect it. 

Peace out,
Dharma Kelleher

Gritty Crime Fiction with a Feminist Kick
https://dharmakelleher.com


On Nov 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Eliot <eliotp@...> wrote:


Hi, all!

This is wonderful news! Thanks for sharing.

Hope you all are well and staying safe!

Eliot


From: main@queercrimewriters.groups.io <main@queercrimewriters.groups.io> on behalf of Leslie Karst <ljkarst@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@queercrimewriters.groups.io <main@queercrimewriters.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Queercrimewriters] Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program
 
Good for Dana; what a generous offer. And thanks for letting us know, Mia!

Leslie Karst

--
Lefty Award-nominated author of the Sally Solari Mystery Series

     website: lesliekarstauthor.com


Re: Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program

Eliot
 

Hi, all!

This is wonderful news! Thanks for sharing.

Hope you all are well and staying safe!

Eliot


From: main@queercrimewriters.groups.io <main@queercrimewriters.groups.io> on behalf of Leslie Karst <ljkarst@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@queercrimewriters.groups.io <main@queercrimewriters.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Queercrimewriters] Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program
 
Good for Dana; what a generous offer. And thanks for letting us know, Mia!

Leslie Karst

--
Lefty Award-nominated author of the Sally Solari Mystery Series

     website: lesliekarstauthor.com


Re: Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program

Leslie Karst
 

Good for Dana; what a generous offer. And thanks for letting us know, Mia!

Leslie Karst

--
Lefty Award-nominated author of the Sally Solari Mystery Series

     website: lesliekarstauthor.com
     blogs at: chicksonthecase and mysteryloverskitchen


Re: Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program

Dharma Kelleher
 

Thanks, Mia. 

Peace out,
Dharma Kelleher
Gritty Crime Fiction with a Feminist Kick

https://dharmakelleher.com


On Nov 11, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Mia P. Manansala <mpmthewriter@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm not super active here, but I wanted to make sure you all know about a great opportunity if you're looking to hire a publicist but have limited funds.

Dana Kaye, a queer woman and the founder of Kaye Publicity, mentioned on her Instagram and one of her newsletters that she realizes that the underrepresented voices in fiction, the ones that need the most help with PR and marketing, are also the ones less likely to have the funds to get the push they need. So she's starting a new Equity in Publishing Program. I emailed her about it and this is what she said:

Hi Mia,
Thanks so much for reaching out! We don't have a formal application procedure. Basically, if we feel that if we love the book and want to work with the author, we don't want budget to be a constraint. It's clear that BIPOC, LGBTQIA folks, and authors with disabilities receive disproportionately lower advances than their white/cis/non-disabled counterparts, which means they don't always have the budget to hire PR folks, which can result in fewer books sold, with perpetuates the idea that these books don't sell and don't warrant large advances. That's what we hope to change.
 
I would love the opportunity to chat with you about the possibility of working together, so when you're ready, let's schedule a call. And you can definitely let the CWOC community know that if they are interested in working with us, not to let budget be a deterrent. If we feel that the author and book are a good fit for us, we'll make it work.
 
Talk soon!

Dana
They're local to me and were willing to work with what little budget I had, so I signed with them earlier this week. If you're looking to hire a publicist, but are worried about the money, definitely reach out to them and use "Equity in Publishing Program" in the subject line. Feel free to use my name. I know Kristen Lepionka also worked with them on her first couple of books.

Here's the link again, if you want to check out their site: Kaye Publicity
--
Mia P. Manansala, Author & Book Coach (she/her)
Arsenic and Adobo (Berkley/Penguin Random House May 4, 2021)


Kaye Publicity's Equity in Publishing Program

"Mia P. Manansala"
 

Hi everyone,

I'm not super active here, but I wanted to make sure you all know about a great opportunity if you're looking to hire a publicist but have limited funds.

Dana Kaye, a queer woman and the founder of Kaye Publicity, mentioned on her Instagram and one of her newsletters that she realizes that the underrepresented voices in fiction, the ones that need the most help with PR and marketing, are also the ones less likely to have the funds to get the push they need. So she's starting a new Equity in Publishing Program. I emailed her about it and this is what she said:

Hi Mia,
Thanks so much for reaching out! We don't have a formal application procedure. Basically, if we feel that if we love the book and want to work with the author, we don't want budget to be a constraint. It's clear that BIPOC, LGBTQIA folks, and authors with disabilities receive disproportionately lower advances than their white/cis/non-disabled counterparts, which means they don't always have the budget to hire PR folks, which can result in fewer books sold, with perpetuates the idea that these books don't sell and don't warrant large advances. That's what we hope to change.
 
I would love the opportunity to chat with you about the possibility of working together, so when you're ready, let's schedule a call. And you can definitely let the CWOC community know that if they are interested in working with us, not to let budget be a deterrent. If we feel that the author and book are a good fit for us, we'll make it work.
 
Talk soon!

Dana
They're local to me and were willing to work with what little budget I had, so I signed with them earlier this week. If you're looking to hire a publicist, but are worried about the money, definitely reach out to them and use "Equity in Publishing Program" in the subject line. Feel free to use my name. I know Kristen Lepionka also worked with them on her first couple of books.

Here's the link again, if you want to check out their site: Kaye Publicity
--
Mia P. Manansala, Author & Book Coach (she/her)
Arsenic and Adobo (Berkley/Penguin Random House May 4, 2021)


Re: November Goals #Goals

Dharma Kelleher
 

It’s been more than a decade since I’ve done NaNo, but the timing worked out. I’m shooting for 70K words. 

Peace out,
Dharma Kelleher
Gritty Crime Fiction with a Feminist Kick

https://dharmakelleher.com


On Nov 2, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Bess Carnan <BCarnan@...> wrote:

It's National Novel Writing Month! Are you participating?
Whether you are or not, what's your writing goal for November?
--

Bess
she/her
writer of unconventional mysteries
www.BessCarnanBooks.com


Re: November Goals #Goals

Gale
 

I’m participating for the first but I’m only shooting for 30k words, mot 50k. Seems more doable. 

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 11:19 AM Bess Carnan <BCarnan@...> wrote:
It's National Novel Writing Month! Are you participating?
Whether you are or not, what's your writing goal for November?
--

Bess
she/her
writer of unconventional mysteries
www.BessCarnanBooks.com

--

Gale Massey
The Girl From Blind River
Florida Book Award 2018
Coming soon: Rising And Other Stories

GaleMassey.com


Re: November Goals #Goals

Catherine Maiorisi
 

I’m not doing Nanowrite. I’m taking it easy after completing my editor’s edits on A Message in Blood the third NYPD Detective Chiara Corelli mystery. Then I’m going to concentrate on finishing the book I started in Nano about ten years ago, tentatively titled Carter’s Story. 

Catherine

On Nov 2, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Bess Carnan <BCarnan@...> wrote:

It's National Novel Writing Month! Are you participating?
Whether you are or not, what's your writing goal for November?
--

Bess
she/her
writer of unconventional mysteries
www.BessCarnanBooks.com

Taking a Chance on Love
Ready for Love
No One But You
Matters of the Heart
The Blood Runs Cold- Lambda Literary Award Finalist, Golden Crown Literary Society Award Finalist
A Matter of Blood - Lambda Literary Award Finalist
Readers rave: Complex characters, well-written, intelligent, page turner, clever plotting, multi-layered, intense, instantly hooks you, couldn’t put down

 http://www.catherinemaiorisi.com





November Goals #Goals

Bess Carnan
 

It's National Novel Writing Month! Are you participating?
Whether you are or not, what's your writing goal for November?
--

Bess
she/her
writer of unconventional mysteries
www.BessCarnanBooks.com


What are you working on? #WIPWeds

Bess Carnan
 

And how the heck is it going? :)

I'm writing less than ever and I really wish I knew why. Currently my only writing lifeline is the weekly write in I help host. At least that's still forward motion, right?
--

Bess
she/her
writer of unconventional mysteries
www.BessCarnanBooks.com


Re: September Goals Check-In #Goals

Bess Carnan
 

Nice!
--

Bess
she/her
writer of unconventional mysteries
www.BessCarnanBooks.com


Re: September Goals Check-In #Goals

Catherine Maiorisi
 

I met my goal. I wrestled my sprawling ten year old NANOWRITE standalone mystery manuscript into shape. 

I ended up with 62000+ words. Now to figure out what happens next so I can complete it.

Catherine Maiorisi

_._,_._,_




A Message in Blood - January 2021
The Blood Runs Cold - Lambda Literary Award Finalist, Golden Crown Literary Society Award Finalist
A Matter of Blood - Lambda Literary Award Finalist
Taking a Chance on Love
Ready for Love
No One But You
Matters of the Heart

Readers rave: Complex characters, well-written, intelligent, page turner, clever plotting, multi-layered, intense, instantly hooks you, couldn’t put down

 http://www.catherinemaiorisi.com





New Orleans Bouchercon

cheryl head
 

The local organizing committee for Bouchercon 2021 is accepting submissions for the conference anthology.  Here is the link:


https://www.bouchercon2021.com/anthology-information  

--
Cheryl Head  (She/Her)
Author, Charlie Mack Motown Mysteries
Board Member, Bouchercon


September Goals Check-In #Goals

Bess Carnan
 

How did everyone do this month?
I'm inching closer and closer to actually finishing this manuscript and I can't wait.

--

Bess
she/her
writer of unconventional mysteries
www.BessCarnanBooks.com


Re: How's your WIP? #WIPWeds

Catherine Maiorisi
 

Congratulations.

Catherine

On Sep 24, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Leslie Karst <ljkarst@...> wrote:

Finished the edits on my book set in Hawai'i, and sent them off to my editor last weekend! Woo-HOO!

Leslie Karst

--
Lefty Award-nominated author of the Sally Solari Mystery Series

     website: lesliekarstauthor.com
     blogs at: chicksonthecase and mysteryloverskitchen


Taking a Chance on Love
Ready for Love
No One But You
Matters of the Heart
The Blood Runs Cold- Lambda Literary Award Finalist, Golden Crown Literary Society Award Finalist
A Matter of Blood - Lambda Literary Award Finalist
Readers rave: Complex characters, well-written, intelligent, page turner, clever plotting, multi-layered, intense, instantly hooks you, couldn’t put down

 http://www.catherinemaiorisi.com





Re: How's your WIP? #WIPWeds

Leslie Karst
 

Finished the edits on my book set in Hawai'i, and sent them off to my editor last weekend! Woo-HOO!

Leslie Karst

--
Lefty Award-nominated author of the Sally Solari Mystery Series

     website: lesliekarstauthor.com
     blogs at: chicksonthecase and mysteryloverskitchen


Re: How's your WIP? #WIPWeds

Dharma Kelleher
 

I’m halfway through my WIP. But I let myself get distracted with experimenting with cover design. On the plus side, I’ve come up with two kickass covers. 

Peace out,
Dharma Kelleher

Gritty Crime Fiction with a Feminist Kick
https://dharmakelleher.com


On Sep 23, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Bess Carnan <BCarnan@...> wrote:

How's your current project going? Well? Are you stuck? Blasting through it?

I'm going much slower on this mss than I wanted, but it's probably not as unreasonable as it feels, considering everything. I just wish adding words was easier!
--

Bess
she/her
writer of unconventional mysteries
www.BessCarnanBooks.com

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